Does anyone have a schematic drawing of the engine, air conditioner, and alternator exploded view? Three things happened this week - -one good, two not so good.
My heater is working well and I do not need a heater core- -this is the good.
The plans fell through to pick up a rebuilt 1.6 diesel for transplant- -no griping- -it is what it is.
And the third, whoever was "tinkering" with my engine before I purchased the car, did not put things back in properly. The AC does not have the belt hooked up. This is probably a good thing because the belt would not align with the engine- -the pulley is far off towards the back of the motor. The alternator is too far forward and this does not align with the engine either. As I looked at it, I realized the adjustment bar to the alternator could go an differently and this could re-position it back farther, which may solve part of the alignment issue. The AC would still be out of whack. I looked in the Haynes Repair Manual and it shows the off-set adjustment bar for the alternator on the non-AC model, and a straight adjustment bar for the AC model. . . .hmm.
My scary option is to take everything out and methodically try to solve the puzzle. I am concerned that the last person to remove the stuff, left a few pieces out like spacer washers. . . It is a 1981 1.6 fuel injection with AC.
Would the Bentley Manual show this detail? If so, where is the best place(least expensive) to get one of these?
Thank you anybody who could help- -even if it is just an understanding nod
Randy
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eric4321
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
Before you try to place a belt over your ac pully you will want to make sure the compressor has not locked up. I bought on 81 tin top Rabbit and the po told me all I would need to do was place a belt back on and I would be good to go. That was one of many lies but a lesson learned. I have an old 80s repair manuel that may have a diagram of the ac and belts. I will check when I get home.
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
http://www.vintagewatercooleds.com/tech/2007/belts/
to check the compressor:
See if the belt clutch spins freely.
Then in the center of the clutch is a bolt that spins the compressor if that doesn't spin, then the compressor is locked up. If the Clutch pulley outer pulley doesn't spin it is locked up.
to check the compressor:
See if the belt clutch spins freely.
Then in the center of the clutch is a bolt that spins the compressor if that doesn't spin, then the compressor is locked up. If the Clutch pulley outer pulley doesn't spin it is locked up.
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randy1234
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
Thank you Briano and Eric,
I turned the compressor today and it spins freely. I also took a ruler- -meter stick and put it in line with the AC and the place on the harmonic balancer where it appears the belt should go and the stick rubs against the timing belt housing. So I think the AC compressor is slightly toward the back of the engine- -I will try to post a few pictures that I took today.
The harmonic balancer has a hard-shouldered groove, about 3/8" wide. I have never seen this type of receptor for a v-belt. the Compressor pulley is a v-belt type. I hope the pictures will reveal this. Is the harmonic balancer suppose to receive the belt like this.
In one of the pictures, if you look carefully, you can see the water pump pulley below and to the right of the alternator- -it is way out of alignment. In this picture, you can also see the Alternator adjustment bracket with it's "curve". I think that this is on wrong, and that removal and reinstallation may put it in better alignment with the water pump. I am concerned that running it the way it is will cause the belt to jump off, or wear it out prematurely.
Thank you again for any suggestions
(Another fun thing. . . when I was leaning in to take the pictures, I broke the plastic vacuum line piece above the valve cover. . .oops)
I turned the compressor today and it spins freely. I also took a ruler- -meter stick and put it in line with the AC and the place on the harmonic balancer where it appears the belt should go and the stick rubs against the timing belt housing. So I think the AC compressor is slightly toward the back of the engine- -I will try to post a few pictures that I took today.
The harmonic balancer has a hard-shouldered groove, about 3/8" wide. I have never seen this type of receptor for a v-belt. the Compressor pulley is a v-belt type. I hope the pictures will reveal this. Is the harmonic balancer suppose to receive the belt like this.
In one of the pictures, if you look carefully, you can see the water pump pulley below and to the right of the alternator- -it is way out of alignment. In this picture, you can also see the Alternator adjustment bracket with it's "curve". I think that this is on wrong, and that removal and reinstallation may put it in better alignment with the water pump. I am concerned that running it the way it is will cause the belt to jump off, or wear it out prematurely.
Thank you again for any suggestions
(Another fun thing. . . when I was leaning in to take the pictures, I broke the plastic vacuum line piece above the valve cover. . .oops)
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
AHHHHHH you have the York type of compressor set up. That is the Compressor sits above the alternator instead of below it.
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
Decided to take the york set up out and see if I could re-arrange things to fit properly. The compressor is not coming out to easily. I think one of those mirrors that lets you see around a corner would be helpful. . .
I am thinking that the alternator needs to come out in order to reach all the mounting bolts for the compressor.
There may be an extra compressor piled on my work bench.
I am thinking that the alternator needs to come out in order to reach all the mounting bolts for the compressor.
There may be an extra compressor piled on my work bench.
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
A 1.6? Only 1980 convertibles came with the 1.6; 1981-1983 got the 1.7L... not that it matters with your alternator/compressor set-up (it's the same on both engines), but I'm a detail-oriented, anal person when it comes to these cars.randy1234 wrote: It is a 1981 1.6 fuel injection with AC.
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randy1234
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Yes Kamz, I think your right.
I checked the tag in the door jam and the build date is in the late 1980's. I could not make out the month because the tag was marked right where the month was, but the year was clear. It could have been one of the last 1.6's used. I will double check again on the title and in the engine bay, but the previous owner pointed out to me that he had to order parts for the 1.6 specifically.
I will look into this mystery a little more. Do I check the block number to be certain?
I checked the tag in the door jam and the build date is in the late 1980's. I could not make out the month because the tag was marked right where the month was, but the year was clear. It could have been one of the last 1.6's used. I will double check again on the title and in the engine bay, but the previous owner pointed out to me that he had to order parts for the 1.6 specifically.
I will look into this mystery a little more. Do I check the block number to be certain?
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
A little update
The head has a 1.6 stamp on it- -so I am pretty sure it is this, but I will keep looking.
I ordered a Bentley RM from auto parts place for around 30 bucks, but they said they were out of stock, and the item may be cancelled from my order- -it is the diesel version. Is there anywhere else that sells it this inexpensive??
The head has a 1.6 stamp on it- -so I am pretty sure it is this, but I will keep looking.
I ordered a Bentley RM from auto parts place for around 30 bucks, but they said they were out of stock, and the item may be cancelled from my order- -it is the diesel version. Is there anywhere else that sells it this inexpensive??
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
Use the manual's ISBN to search various places online: 978-0-8376-0183-0... $30 is pretty darn cheap though.
As for the engine, tell-tale sign: 1.6L has the upper radiator hose going into the cylinder head hose flange at a 90-degree angle, while the 1.7L has a 45-degree hose. Also, the engine codes: 1.6L is EJ, 1.7L is EN.
As for the engine, tell-tale sign: 1.6L has the upper radiator hose going into the cylinder head hose flange at a 90-degree angle, while the 1.7L has a 45-degree hose. Also, the engine codes: 1.6L is EJ, 1.7L is EN.
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randy1234
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
Kammy,
I just checked and the upper hose does come out at a 90 degree from the head. I was not able to find the code yet. Is the 1.6 good?
Thank you for the ISBN on the Bentley. I have not been able to find the manual on the same site I ordered it from, so perhaps it was overlooked by the company and the posting was left up even though the discontinued carrying it. Its not listed on the same site anymore. I think it will cost around 50 ish new.
Thank you again,
Randy
I just checked and the upper hose does come out at a 90 degree from the head. I was not able to find the code yet. Is the 1.6 good?
Thank you for the ISBN on the Bentley. I have not been able to find the manual on the same site I ordered it from, so perhaps it was overlooked by the company and the posting was left up even though the discontinued carrying it. Its not listed on the same site anymore. I think it will cost around 50 ish new.
Thank you again,
Randy
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Another update
Compressor proves to be very difficult to remove- -VERY DIFFICULT. I have taken of every bolt that seems to hold it- -Top/Side/Bottom- -but still she holds fast. There are only three remaining points that could hold it- -the alternator pivot bolt, and two awkwardly located bolts on the engine side. The only other choice that I feel like using is a cutting torch! It really is a bear.
The Manuals that I have- -Haynes and Clymer- -do not show details of this mount, or dismount
Any help or suggestions? I will keep at it.
One of the reasons this is such a long process is the weather up here. It has been below zero for a while and we finally have a brief warm up..
Randy
Compressor proves to be very difficult to remove- -VERY DIFFICULT. I have taken of every bolt that seems to hold it- -Top/Side/Bottom- -but still she holds fast. There are only three remaining points that could hold it- -the alternator pivot bolt, and two awkwardly located bolts on the engine side. The only other choice that I feel like using is a cutting torch! It really is a bear.
The Manuals that I have- -Haynes and Clymer- -do not show details of this mount, or dismount
Any help or suggestions? I will keep at it.
One of the reasons this is such a long process is the weather up here. It has been below zero for a while and we finally have a brief warm up..
Randy
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
At the top pivot point at the top mount, PRY it out using a pry bar at the top.
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Clymer/Haynes GET a Bentley.....
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randy1234
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Thank You Briano!
I have not had much time the last several days, but I hope to be back at tomorrow, and will post the progress. I really, really appreciate the link and the picture. It is helpful!
gonna hit the hay, been a long day.
Randy
I have not had much time the last several days, but I hope to be back at tomorrow, and will post the progress. I really, really appreciate the link and the picture. It is helpful!
gonna hit the hay, been a long day.
Randy
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Re: 81 1.6 gas know how
Well. . . I was stalling a bit because I did not want to admit how much difficulty I was having in removing the compressor- -how many exclamation points should I use to show just how tough this was?
I removed the alternator to get at two additional bolts for the main bracket. I still could not pry it, bang it, or even slightly move it. I was worried that the amount of pressure I was applying was going to break something with my huge pry-bar. I decided to take off the bolts that held the compressor to the bracket- -if anyone is familiar with where these are located and how inaccessible these are, then you know this was not easy. But, they are off, the compressor is off, and I still have my sanity- -if I had it to begin with. . .
I will remove the bracket next, line up and reinstall the alternator, which was my original mission, and then perhaps leave the compressor off, which I am not sure I want to do because of the occasional pleasure of cold air on a humid muggy day. We will see. Anyhow, progress is being made, and thank you to all of you who offered help, this site has been really great! Even though I lack the humility to post a picture of my garage, I have enjoyed with laughter the bantering of those who did.
Randy
I removed the alternator to get at two additional bolts for the main bracket. I still could not pry it, bang it, or even slightly move it. I was worried that the amount of pressure I was applying was going to break something with my huge pry-bar. I decided to take off the bolts that held the compressor to the bracket- -if anyone is familiar with where these are located and how inaccessible these are, then you know this was not easy. But, they are off, the compressor is off, and I still have my sanity- -if I had it to begin with. . .
I will remove the bracket next, line up and reinstall the alternator, which was my original mission, and then perhaps leave the compressor off, which I am not sure I want to do because of the occasional pleasure of cold air on a humid muggy day. We will see. Anyhow, progress is being made, and thank you to all of you who offered help, this site has been really great! Even though I lack the humility to post a picture of my garage, I have enjoyed with laughter the bantering of those who did.
Randy